30 May 2006
Director – Accounting Standards
Canadian Accounting Standards Board
227 Wellington Street West
Toronto Ontario MSV 3H2
CANADA
ed.accounting@cica.ca
Dear Sir/Madam
Discussion Paper: Measurement Bases for
Financial Accounting
The Group of 100 (G100) is pleased to provide comments on the Discussion Paper (DP) and in doing so, has focused on the condensed version. The G100 represents the interests of the CFOs of Australia’s major business enterprises.
The G100 supports efforts to develop the conceptual basis of accounting and the identification of broad principles. However, in addressing the issues in the DP we have the following general comments:
Our responses to the questions are set out below.
| Q1. | Do you agree that the list of identified possible measurement
bases (see paragraphs 33-51 of the condensed version and paragraphs
69-74 of the main discussion paper) sets out the bases that should be
considered? If not, please indicate and explain any changes that you
would make. Yes. However, if a more specific definition of fair
value is adopted different variants of this measure would need to be
discussed. |
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| Q2. | Do you agree with the working terms and definitions, and
supporting interpretations, of each of the identified measurement bases
(see paragraphs 33-51 of the condensed version and paragraphs 77-96 of
the main discussion paper)? If not, please explain what changes you
would make. In particular, do you have any comments on the term “fair
value” and its definition (in light of the discussion in paragraphs
46-48 of the condensed version and paragraphs 88-93 of the main
discussion paper)? We believe there is a need to clarify what is
meant by fair value before comparing it with other measures and using it
as a basis for measurement and recognition. At present there is a
difference between the definition of the term in IFRS and the DP and
that currently proposed by the FASB. For example, what is the objective
of using the term ‘fair value’; is it intended to capture market-based
measurements or is it intended to deal with entity-specific
measurements? |
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| Q3. | It is proposed that there are two fundamental sources of
differences between the identified bases for measuring assets and
liabilities on initial recognition: (a) market versus
entity-specific measurement objectives, and (See paragraph 52 of the condensed version and paragraph 97 of the main discussion paper.) This proposal and its conceptual implications are the subject of chapters 4 and 5. Do you agree that these are the fundamental sources of differences between asset and liability measurement bases on initial recognition? If not, please indicate the fundamental sources of differences you have identified, and provide the basic reasons for your views. For any different fundamental sources you have identified, please indicate how these might be examined and tested. The G100 agrees with the main sources of differences identified for measuring assets and liabilities on initial recognition and consider that the impact of these factors should be discussed more fully than appears in the DP. We have the following concerns:
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| Q4. | The paper analyzes the market value measurement objective and the
essential properties of market value.
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| Q5. | Do you agree with the definition and discussion of
entity-specific measurement objectives (see paragraph 57 of the
condensed version and paragraphs 112-116 of the main discussion paper)
and their relationship to management intentions (see paragraph 58 of the
condensed version and paragraphs 117-121 of the main discussion paper)?
If not, please explain why you disagree. While the G100 generally agrees it is noted that market-based measures relate to the current price (spot price) for the marginal trade of a (generally) specified quantity. Measuring the amount of an asset by applying the spot price does not necessarily reflect a reliable measure of its value. This is particularly so where fair value is seen as an entity-specific measure. The proponents of ‘fair value’ suggest that two entities that own identical assets should report them at the same amount in their financial statements (where initially recognizing them at the same point in time), eliminating what has been called ‘entity specific values’. This , it has been suggested, will enhance comparability. However, the term ‘entity specific’ contains an important ambiguity. It has been defined in the Discussion Paper as a ‘measurement of an asset or liability that is based on the expectations of management of an entity’. On that definition it is difficult to defend ‘entity specific’ measurement bases, since financial reporting should reflect the economic resources controlled by an entity and the claims on those resources, mere expectations do not affect these resources. However, if it is acknowledged that economic constraints and
opportunities differ between entities, the case that similar assets
might be reported at different amounts is plausible. For example, one
airline may acquire aircraft in sufficient quantity that it obtains a
large discount. TThis may result in those aircraft being recognized at a
lower amount than another airline that acquires substantially fewer
aircraft and does not receive the same discount. Similar asymmetrical
outcomes may also exist between a wholesaler and retailer holding the
same goods. The assertion that these differences in value are
attributable to differences in expectation is contested, rather it is
suggested that the differences are due to observable facts. |
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| Q6. | Do you agree with the comparison of market and entity-specific
measurement objectives (see paragraph 59 of the condensed version and
paragraph 122 of the main discussion paper) and with the proposed
conclusion that the market value measurement objective has important
qualities that make it more relevant than entity-specific measurement
objectives for assets and liabilities on initial recognition (see
paragraphs 60-61 of the condensed version and paragraphs 123-129 of the
main discussion paper)? If not, please explain your views. No.
The presumption in the DP is that market value measures are superior to
entity-specific measures which may also include the use market values.
However, there seems to be a lack of argument to support the assertion
that market value measures are superior. |
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| Q8. | Do you agree that a promise to pay has the same fair value on
initial recognition whether it is an asset or a liability, and that the
credit risk associated with a promise to pay enters into the
determination of that fair value with the same effect whether it is an
asset or liability (see paragraph 65 of the condensed version and
paragraphs 142-147 of the main discussion paper)? If you do not agree,
please explain the basis for your disagreement. In our view changes in the entity’s credit ratings are reflected in the
market value of its liabilities. However, we disagree that the credit
risk of the entity should be reflected in the measurement of liabilities
in its financial statements. Credit risk at the time of a contract will
be reflected in the terms of the contract including the ongoing
servicing cost. In addition, the entity is obliged to settle the
contracted amount of a liability and not the market value of the
liability. |
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| Q9. | The paper makes the following proposals with respect to defining the
unit of account of the asset or liability to be measured on initial
recognition:
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| Q10. | It is suggested that, in many cases, the best market source on
initial recognition is the market in which the asset or liability being
measured was acquired or issued. However, some significant situations
are noted in which a different source may be appropriate, and research
is proposed into possible multiple markets (see paragraphs 75-82 of the
condensed version and paragraphs 162-182 of the main discussion paper).
Do you agree that the paper provides a reasonable analysis of market
sources and their implications on initial recognition? If not, please
provide reasons for disagreeing, and indicate any additional analysis or
research you would think should be carried out. The G100 is concerned that the conclusions are based on the presumption
there is an efficient market which provides a single fair value.
Evidence from the operation of actual markets indicates that this
proposition is not necessarily the case. |
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| Q11. | The paper concludes that transaction costs, as defined, are not
part of the fair value of an asset or liability on initial recognition
(see paragraphs 86-87 of the condensed version and paragraphs 193-200 of
the main discussion paper). Do you agree with the proposed definition
of transaction costs? Do you agree with the above conclusion? If you
disagree, please explain your reasons and what you believe the
implications of your different view would be for fair value measurement
of assets and liabilities on initial recognition. The G100 is concerned about the approaches to transaction costs. We accept that if market-based measurement is used then recoverability of costs incurred may be used as a basis for determining the treatment of transaction costs. In most cases the use of market values would preclude the capitalization
of transaction costs. However, where an entity acquires an asset with
the intention to consume all its services over its economic life
(whether market-based or entity-specific measures are adopted) it will
seek to recover all of its costs (including transaction costs) and earn
an acceptable return on those costs irrespective of their nature and
type. |
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| Q12. | Do you agree with the proposal that, when more than one
measurement basis achieves an acceptable level of reliability, the most
relevant of these bases should be selected (see paragraph 89 of the
condensed version and paragraph 202 of the main discussion paper)? If
not, please explain why you disagree, and indicate how you would settle
trade-offs between the relevance and reliability of alternative
measurement bases. The G100 does not believe that it is simply a matter of relevance and
reliability and that other qualitative characteristics of information
such as comparability, understandability need to be considered in the
context of achieving accountability to shareholders and satisfying the
objectives of financial statements. |
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| Q13. | Do you agree with the two proposed sources of limitations on
measurement reliability — estimation uncertainty and economic
indeterminacy — and supporting discussion (see paragraphs 90-100 of the
condensed version and paragraphs 204-216 of the main discussion paper)?
If not, please explain your view. While the G100 has
no major objections to this discussion we believe it is necessary to
illustrate and explain what is meant by ‘sufficient reliability’
including for what purpose and for whom the measurements are being
reported. |
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| Q14. | Do you agree that fair value is the most relevant measure of
assets and liabilities on initial recognition of assets and liabilities,
and therefore should be used when it can be estimated with acceptable
reliability (see analyses of fair value and alternative bases in chapter
7, and discussion of measurement date on initial recognition in
paragraphs 179-180 of the condensed version and paragraphs 410-415 of
the main discussion paper)? If not, please explain why. The G100 is not convinced that fair value is the most relevant measure
on initial recognition. |
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| Q15. | Do you agree that fair value is not capable of reliable estimation
in some common situations on initial recognition (see paragraph 104 of
the condensed version and paragraphs 232-277 of the main discussion
paper)? More specifically, do you agree that:
Please provide explanations for your views on these questions if they differ significantly from the conclusions and supporting arguments presented in the paper.
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| Q16. | Do you agree with the paper’s analyses and conclusions with
respect to the comparative relevance and reliability of:
Please provide reasons for any disagreements, and any advice you may have as to additional analysis or research that you believe should be carried out. The G100’s main concern is the presumption as to the appropriateness
of fair value in preference to what is described as historical cost. It
is our view that in an efficient market the historic cost of say, an
asset, and the fair value of that asset necessarily coincide at initial
recognition. The principal issue is how to address those cases where at
acquisition there is a difference between historic cost and fair value. |
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| Q17. | The paper discusses substitutes for fair value when the fair
value of an asset or liability cannot be reliably estimated on initial
recognition. Do you agree that, when other measurement bases are used as
substitutes for fair value on initial recognition, they should be
applied on bases as consistent as possible with the fair value
measurement objective (see paragraph 186 of the condensed version and
paragraph 417 of the main discussion paper)? If not, please explain
why. Yes. However, if a surrogate measure needs to be used
it may be necessarily to address whether fair value is the most
appropriate measure in the circumstances. |
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| Q18. | Do you agree with the proposed hierarchy for the measurement of
assets and liabilities on initial recognition (see chapter 8)? If not,
please explain your reasons for disagreeing and what alternatives you
might propose. No. The G100 considers that there are too many
components to the hierarchy and prefers an approach closer to that
proposed by the FASB with fewer levels in the hierarchy. |
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| Q19. | Do you have comments on any other issues or proposals, including
the proposals for further research (see paragraph 189 of the condensed
version and paragraph 441 of the main discussion paper)? If so, please
provide them. No. |
Yours sincerely
Tom Honan
National President